60 Minutes Profiles “No Snitchin”…Update: Cam’ron Apologizes
I’m sure many of you have heard about ol’ ignorant a$$ Camron’s stint on 60 Minutes about the “No Snitchin” policy that many in Hip Hop glorify…so I just wanted to have a little discussion about it on the site. First, I think it’s absolutely disgraceful that this garbage is being presented as the norm in the black community. Let’s say that black folks really do feel like it’s never okay to cooperate with the police…is that something to really be proud of? When crime runs rampant in the ghetto and the inner cities…isn’t “no snitching” perpetuating the victimization? Isn’t that granting folks the license to commit crime without reprieve? How can folks really sit up there with a straight face and talk about how horrible crime is in the inner city and how hard it makes life and then in the next breath talk about “don’t snitch”? Isn’t that counter-productive?
The whole point I am getting at is that this kind of expose’ couldn’t have come at a worse time for black folks and especially for Hip Hop. People are trying to make the argument that Hip Hop is poetry that merely reflects the ills of society, however, this “no snitchin” bs is spreading this self-destructive message. What people don’t realize is that the joke is on black folks. Why would black folks allow people like Camron, who Anderson Cooper pointed out makes millions and drives insanely expensive cars, to continue to dictate the street code for streets that they are privileged enough to not have to live on? Camron basically said “No Snitchin” is a business move. So he’s selling out his community to make money…and people are lining up to eat that sorry a$$ message up. Click on the video below to watch the 60 Minutes segment and share your thoughts.
When are we going to learn? How do you feel about Camron speaking for the Hip Hop community? How do you feel about 60 Minutes presenting this as the status quo in the black community? How sad was it that the children being interviewed internalized this poison? Why aren’t parents standing up and countering these destructive messages? Do you people honestly believe that the police are the root of the problem in the inner city and ghetto?
UPDATE
Well, well, well…it seems like Cam’ron has come out with his tail between his legs and is apologizing for his ridiculous statements on 60 Minutes. In proof that we can start putting an end to people perpetuating destructive messages in our community by speaking out, all of the outrage over Cam’ron’s statements have caused him to backtrack on his statements. Here is what he had to say:
“In 2005, I was a victim of a violent crime. I was shot multiple times without provocation by two armed men who attempted to carjack my vehicle. Although I was a crime victim, I didn’t feel like I could cooperate with the police investigation.”
Where I come from, once word gets out that you’ve cooperated with the police that only makes you a bigger target of criminal violence,” Cam’ron explained. “That is a dark reality in so many neighborhoods like mine across America. I’m not saying it’s right, but it’s reality. And it’s not unfounded. There’s a harsh reality around violence and criminal justice in our inner cities.”
My experience in no way justifies what I said” on 60 Minutes. “Looking back now, I can see how those comments could be viewed as offensive, especially to those who have suffered their own personal tragedies or to those who put their lives on the line to protect our citizens from crime.
Please understand that I was expressing my own personal frustration at my own personal circumstances. I in no way was intending to be malicious or harmful. I apologize deeply for this error in judgment.”
Personally I think that Cam’ron is completely full of sh!t. He said all that garbage on 60 Minutes, because he thought it would make him look more hard and gain more fans. If he was sorry about his words (rather than the fact that people are turning against him) then he would’ve spoken out right after the interview aired and not almost a week later. The fact is, he was irresponsible in his words and he made Hip Hop and Black people look bad at the worst possible time. However, I will give him credit for at least apologizing and I hope that people will see that “no snitchin” is self-destructive. The test is really how he conducts himself from this point forward…although I have no faith that he will change his tune in his music or in other less visible appearances.
What do you think about Cam’ron’s apology? Was he driven by trying to alleviate the outrage or do you think he really knew he was wrong for making those statements? Is it too little too late?
Posted by Reecie
I’ve touched on this over at my site. Cam needs his shit pushed in for GP. I wouldn’t tell a soul if I knew it was about to happen.
No snitching is a stupid policy. Cam’ron refuse to help the police put the guy who shot him behinds bars. If that guy strike again and kills someone this time I hope the police hold Cam’ron responsible for that crime to and he get jail time. The same goes for Busta punk ass Rhymes and other rappers and people who refuse to talk. I plan to make a movie about this subject called code of the street. It’s time to hear more people who are anti no snitching voice get heard.
Keep talking everybody.
I would love to see more big stars in the black community take a stand against the no snitching policy instead of big stars in the black community take a stand for it.
The police have all sorts of equipment that can help solve crimes. THE POLICE DON’T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT YOU OR YOUR MOTHERFUCKIN FAMILY. This is a job to them, it brings income. They have too many things going on to really give a fuck about you. There is a reason why we don’t trust them motherfucker. Numerous Black Panther Party Members, Rodney King, now Sean Bell…look at the trend. You don’t even understand man. Yall talking about snitchin’…nigga Tupac got shot on the Vegas Strip, where are the snitches at? You tellin me nobody saw anything? Who’s saying anything about that? All this targeting the black community lately since Don Imus is obsurd. Whites are mad they can’t say nigga anymore but we can. It’s not a derogatory term anymore, it’s a term of endearment. That’s something that’s special about us. Think about this: You say something that doesn’t make sense…I say you’re stupid in a belittling way…you get mad. But if you say something funny…and I say you’re stupid…you’re not going to get mad. Why? The context in which I use it. Nigga is the same way. So of you are brainwashed by mainstream America…and I ain’t talking pop culture. Why the FUCK are yall mad at rap just because people that would otherwise have no chance in working class America are making millions? Are these companies going to hire an ex-con? Go head and say yes…I dare you. Don’t hate the black man because he is doing something good. Making people feel good. Words are just words, it’s all about how you stomach them. But images…actually seeing someone get shot (Almost every show or movie on TV), robbed (Ocean’s Eleven, for example), or having sex (again, almost every show on TV) is totally different. Why not go at the media? You have little fucking kids watching this shit, who hardly understand the words in a rap song (maybe)…but surely have an everlasting picture of the ills of mankind in their brain when watching TV. What’s news without a murder, robbery, and some other shit that’s negative? What about how when a black or minority does one of the aforementioned things, his face is blown up all over the media? But when a white person…don’t get me started man. EVEN THOUGH THE KILLERS ARE BOTH WRONG AND THEY WILL BE JUDGED BY GOD, take the Columbine and VT incidences that happened. I don’t remember the Columbine kids faces…do you? Yo, man…I have a Bachelor’s Degree in Economics so fuck yall if yall hatin. Peace to Cam. Love to my sister’s and brother’s and my niggas, I love yall all the same.
Can’t believe this is coming up over some fuckin guy named Don Imus that a didn’t give two shits about then or now. Dont make rap the scapegoat.
Alright…that’s it…I’m defriending Cam’ron on Myspace. Once again the media manages to find the most ignorant, unrepresentative black person to “speak for everyone”.
this aggins gonna have jefferey dahmer next door to him just eatin black folks for lunch, and he’s just gonna move? Jackass. Let some pervert be hanging outside his daughters school, coppin a feel of kids, and tell me, he would’nt be prayin for someone to snitch so his seed can go to private school in peace.I hate cops too belive that, but common sense is common sense. These dudes are the modern day uncle toms believe that. he is down for his dough and not for black folks, so follow the rules these idiots set at your own peril.
“THE POLICE DON’T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT YOU OR YOUR MOTHERFUCKIN FAMILY. This is a job to them, it brings income. They have too many things going on to really give a fuck about you.”
And the same can’t be said for Cam’ron? Come on man!
What do you mean? Cam’ron don’t give a fuck about you either. He cares about his green, just like most of you. How many charities have you donated to in the past year? I care about my money too, but I do things from my heart also, to uplift my people and other races in the same.
Well you’re giving Cam love like he’s speaking from some noble place, when in reality…this “no snitchin” is a gimmick to sell more records. He doesn’t want to point the finger to the guy that shot him because he’s afraid of hurting his image…point blank period.
All I’m saying is…he sits up there and talks about “no snitchin” like it’s nothing…when in reality…it’s a huge problem. When a person with Cam’s visibility doesn’t give a f*&k about the messages that he’s sending out…it contributes to the self-destructive mentality that is plaguing the black community.
No, the problem is the police aren’t trying hard enough to solve these cases. If they want to solve a case, they will. I have no doubt in my mind that if they have the power to find out information. The truth is that if somebody does something, it’s not valid unless they start runnin their mouth. Just like in Jam Master Jay’s case… the only way for the accused suspect Ronald Washington to validate his act of violence, which will give him street cred (as ignorant and silly as it sounds) is to let it be known that he did something “gangsta,” and it won’t be valid unless people knew he did it. Once the police find a lead (which doesn’t mean they need a snitches help because they can trace any-fuckin-thing nowasays), they can push up on ‘em…then boom. All they need is a lead. AND IF YOU DIDNT KNOW, SNITCHES ARE ALIVE AND WELL! Don’t act like there’s no more rats out there. If police put enough pressure on someone with their gorilla tactics, people will start blabbin’.
My thing is…mind your own. What if your shadow went around tellin your business? What you’ve done in the dark? Would you be pro-snitch if that were to occur? God knows that man is sinful, no matter what the sin is. None of you are perfect and we all have sinned, even if you don’t know it. So what if your shadow started telling everyone about all the sins you’ve committed in your life? How would you feel? Take that to the bank and cash it…see what you get back.
“you dont snitch, you dont rat, you dont talk.” Italian Mafia. “Dont be a narc dude.” Chong of Cheech And Chong. Police code of silence. This is nothing new, it is not related to hip hop, those kids reflected their reality. Cam is a businessman, who does support his community. Police are paid to do a job, unfortunately they do it poorly in poor black areas, they somehow protect their own neighborhoods, coincidence? I think not.
“When a person with Cam’s visibility doesn’t give a f*&k about the messages that he’s sending out…it contributes to the self-destructive mentality that is plaguing the black community.”
Word up!!!
Okay, I can go into a serious rant over said topic but i’ll just focus on some points.
1. “No Snitching” is not a hip-hop or “black thing.” I loathe the fact that they didn’t further delve into the etymology of this phenomena. Yes, it is glorified and commercialized. But Hip-Hop did not create this. It bothers me that cats will now think that this is a ubiquitous state of mind among black people. The fact that they even group Cam’Ron/Dipset or this kind of music in the Hip-Hop canon is shameful…Respectable minds know that Hip-Hop was never supposed to be about violence and silliness.. All this commercial “rap” is deteriorating minds and rotting perception of what is real and what is fallacy!
2. For those young black kids in the video, there’s a huge difference between being a tattle-tale and ratting on someone who shot someone you know! When I was younger, a tattle tale meant if something happened between two people, let the people involved with that issue fess up. It’s not your business to go tell the teacher about something you were not even involved in. But if you were involved in it and the situation was dire, you betta speak yo ass up. It is senseless and stupid to keep ya mouth shout if the consequences for not doing so results in death. WTF are parents teaching kids……errr, my bad, we don’t have parents anymore!!!
3. As if there aren’t any other group of people who don’t embody the “no snitching” protocol!
4. What if all these “rich” rappers pooled their money together to do something constructive for their neighborhoods instead of basketball camps and “pseudo” scholarships. The richest black people in the world and the issues that we’re discussing on 60 minutes is fuckin “no snitching’”…wow!!!
5. Cam’ron and any of these damn rappers do not speak for me…they speak for their damn selves!
6. Cam’ron of all people? lol….Cmon now! Where’s Russell, where’s Nas, where’s Jay!!! Real talk doe, Nas is spittin all this knowledge on wax….where is he on the tube? i understand Nas doesn’t like the limelight and he’s more introverted but we need to contrasting viewpoints…or some other kind of viewpoint otha than Cameron Giles.
7. 60 minutes aka Paid In Full II?
Don’t believe the hype that these silly rappers care about you! they out for the green! they out to stay relevant and be assumed to be legit and street credible. these cats are not hard. Real men don’t have to show you what they got. Real men just are…Real men dont have to boast how many lambos they got! Real men let they’re actions speak. All of these music videos where cats are talking about lambos, holding guns to the air, spraying fake ass money to the camera is lame and anyone who feeds into that trash is a lame too….
Call me a snitch…call me a hater..call me a sell-out…but if anyone is coming at my fam or mines, they getting sent to jail and paying for the crimes they committed. When it comes to those I love, my pride is out the door….that’s all this shyt is with “no snitching” overly proud people who have nothing but their rep!
and yes, there’s a big difference b/w black people and niggas…Niggas need to go!
I agree with Reecie
People think they doing us (black people) good by not snitching. No matter how the police work, a criminal is a criminal and should put in jail. And KG a “sin” is not necessarily a crime. And allowing people to get off for there crime just tells the next person I can do what I want because I can get off. This only continues to degrade urban communities. No snitching basically says “I support the criminal and I do not support the victim”… Which one should have a higher status in your neighborhood? tell me.
8th of all, are we to believe that none of these “rappers” never told on anyone. are we so convinced by the mirage that these fuckas are puttin out! i’m just peeved that corporations are behind all this and black people are still slaves…slaves to money….
I feel you Thesis, you have some points. But:
“It is senseless and stupid to keep ya mouth shout if the consequences for not doing so results in death. WTF are parents teaching kids……errr, my bad, we don’t have parents anymore!!!”
I catch your drift but, the result is already death. If someone gets shot, telling wont bring them back. When it’s all said and done…GOD will be the ultimate judge. Do you guys forget about karma? And about how you will be judge at the end of your life. If the killer doesn’t get caught, so the fuck what! This life isn’t nothing compared to the afterlife in heaven with the Creator (or whatever you believe in). You just have to pray that the killer will get his, which usually happens. Think about the mob boss in Italy who was on the run for like 40 years Bernardo Provenzano)…karma. It was all written yall.
Another thing…you’re saying a nigga is different than a black person…but yet you cry for Nas and Jay to step up to the plate. These are self-proclaimed niggas. Yet, these are two smart black men. Tupac, a nigga but yet a smart black man. What are you sayin…a nigga is different than a black person? Please. Thesis…you my nigga dog.
I love all races too, but yall nead to read the ISIS PAPERS. This is real shit that is going on. This is all a ploy to erase the black race. Don Imus isn’t the first…this has been going on since slavery. Black people embrace each other. We all aren’t book smart (which I am) but we can all learn from each other.
WAS “DETROIT RED” A FUCKIN NIGGA????? FUCK YEAH! Look what he came out to be.
DO NOT GET ME STARTED MAN! WISE UP.
I believe if somebody came after my family I would try to kill ‘em. It’s how I was raised. Fuck snitchin’..I’m itchin. And like I said before, I aint tryin to prove anything, I ain’t no gangsta, or a killer, I’m an educated black man. Just ventin’.
We are all slaves to money. You want to live don’t you?
“And KG a “sin” is not necessarily a crime.”
In who’s book? The piece of shit constitution? The law of America? LOL. Don’t make me laugh. I’m talking about God’s law. We are all criminals!
“If the killer doesn’t get caught, so the fuck what!”
Well if he doesn’t get caught he’s free to kill again, or rob again, or rape again, or whatever the hell he wants to do!
“I believe if somebody came after my family I would try to kill ‘em. It’s how I was raised. Fuck snitchin’..I’m itchin.”
And that’s exactly why crime runs rampant. People want to take matters in their own hands and guess who loses? Everyone. Black men are the highest demographic of men in prison. More black men in prison than in college. The high school graduation rate for blacks is still dismal in the inner cities, broken homes, broken (if they were even together in the first place) families. So I ask again…who is the joke really on?
I think that if we POLICED ourselves. It wouldnt be called snitching and the problem would be solved. But when guns go off, we hit the floor and call for the police instead of lacing our tims up and hitting the streets as a community and taking them back. My moms was on the Tenant Patrol in Red Hook projects when I was a kid she was out in the streets breakin up crack houses so that her kids wouldnt be caught in them. Parents dont do that anymore.
Aside from all that, some kats have takin’ the term “snitch” too far.
If you are booked on a charge and you give up the goods on your partner, THAT is snitching.
If you or a loved one is shot by some fool you have ZERO fidelity to and you report it, THAT’S NOT SNITCHING.
“My moms was on the Tenant Patrol in Red Hook projects when I was a kid she was out in the streets breakin up crack houses so that her kids wouldnt be caught in them. Parents dont do that anymore.”
That’s progressive!!!
KG,
In “God’s Law” you will be punished for your “sin” rather it is jail, or other means which I will not get into. Just like your parents (hopefully) punished you for actions deemed unbecoming. So if the “sin” is to a level which is deemed criminal, the action should be punished as such. nothing more nothing less. If I commit a criminal act (which I wont & dont) and receive punishment I will not be because we have laws and if I break them I should be punished for them. In the same sense, I am not mad if I get pulled over for speeding, b/c i was speeding. Every action has a consequence, rather it is positive or netgative however we should not give a positive reaction to a negative action.
And if you are saying “God’s Law,” I am assuming you are either Christian or muslim and both believe in respecting and obeying the laws of the land. In addition, they both beilive in punishment if your found in disobedience to the laws.
First off… did you even catch the line before:
“If the killer doesn’t get caught, so the fuck what!” ?
It states : When it’s all said and done…GOD will be the ultimate judge. Do you guys forget about karma? And about how you will be judge at the end of your life
Don’t mix up my words…you are beginning to act like how the media acts and wants to cut your shit all up and phrase it how they want to.
And to clear up the “I believe if somebody came after my family I would try to kill ‘em” statement…
This is not the only reason why blacks are in prison more than college. Poverty? Wrongful persecution (cops and court system alike)? Ignorance is defintely a factor but not the only one. But fuck, I’m being for real…I’ll try to kill a motherfucker if they come after my fam.
“First off… did you even catch the line before:
“If the killer doesn’t get caught, so the fuck what!” ?
It states : When it’s all said and done…GOD will be the ultimate judge. Do you guys forget about karma? And about how you will be judge at the end of your life”
Ok…so how does being judged in the after life stop a killer on the loose on the streets from killing again? That’s why I say it’s not so f*(king what. I do believe that we all have to answer for our actions in the afterlife but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be held accountable for what we do here and it certainly doesn’t give criminals license to keep wreaking havoc on innocent people.
“This is not the only reason why blacks are in prison more than college. Poverty? Wrongful prosecution (cops and court system alike)? Ignorance is defintely a factor but not the only one.”
But at the same time…allowing crime to run rampant in the community by turning a blind eye certainly isn’t going to help anything get better.
“This is not the only reason why blacks are in prison more than college. Poverty? Wrongful persecution (cops and court system alike)? Ignorance is defintely a factor but not the only one. But fuck, I’m being for real…I’ll try to kill a motherfucker if they come after my fam.”
KG,
Ignorance leads to poverty, poverty does not lead to ignorance.
….if we cure ignorance, the majority of the ills will fall in line.
Wrongful prosecution … yes it happens but i bet 95-98% of these people are not wrongfully prosecuted . It is unfortunate if it happens however its not the case for majority of the guys in jail.
DDOT,
You are definitely right, but I’m looking at the big picture here. No matter what you do, there is one judge. That is GOD. True…obey the laws of the land…yada, yada, yada. But do you have faith in the laws of the land? WERE SLAVES TO OBEY SLAVERY? IT WAS LAW YOU KNOW. If you don’t have faith in a system, you dont have to obey it. This is a big problem, the fucked up system (as well as the parents and any other thing you can name).
THIS IS WHY LIFE ON EARTH IS NOTHING COMPARED TO LIFE WITH GOD. Life on Earth is twisted and has been since Adam and Eve. It wont change. Discrimination has been here forever and (sadly) seems like it always will be (Albinos vs. Colored People…[guess who were the outcasts], Whites vs. Blacks…Muslim vs Christian…Isrealites vs Palestinians…Jews vs Christians…American vs the World…the list goes on and on) That is why it’s important to trust in the Lord and not worry about this life on Earth.
The law of the land? I’m from Jersey…one big thing that just happened was the Gov just got into a crash and is in critical cond. Why? A) No seatbelt B) Doing over 90mph
A state trooper was driving. This is our fuckin law!
how many times have you seen cops driving and talkin on a cell phone?
Some people are so brainwashed. READ a BOOK…Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. Point: Do some research. Some real soul searching. Find yourself, and don’t be a puppet. Be proud to be my niggas. Be proud to be my sista. Be proud to be black.
DDOT,
95 to 98%? Come harder.
Ignorance does lead to poverty. But how do you define ignorance?
F a 60 minutes.
They portrayed it like all blacks believe in that. Show was one-sided.
Ignorance
1. the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of Knowledge, Learning, Information, etc.
2. The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.
3. the lack of knowledge or education
4. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, or a willful lack of desire to improve the efficiency, merit, effectiveness or usefulness of one’s actions. Ignorance is also a “state of being ignorant” or unaware (not knowing).
I just had to point out that this is a great discussion.
Secondly….where do the parents come into play? In all the debate surrounding hip hop, “no snitchin”…why isn’t anyone speaking on the role parents should play in informing their kids about what’s right and what’s wrong?
Are parents just flat out absent in that regard or are messages like “no snitchin” in hip hop more powerful than the guidance of parents?
Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate but that we are powerful beyond measure. All I’m reading is people telling us to give up our power to the Police or to God or to the Gangstas running the streets at night. Yall all sound like Victims.
umm Except Reecie and Thesis
And who are you trying to say is brainwash….
“If you don’t have faith in a system, you dont have to obey it.”
Says who…. If you don’t commit a crime you wont go to jail. This is not the wild wild west. We live in a developed society dictated by laws to keep stability. I was not discusing slavery or other deemed inhumane however I’m discussing crimes such as drugs, murder, assault, rape, robbery etc. Definition #4 states “willful lack of desire to improve the efficiency, merit, effectiveness or usefulness of one’s actions.” “No snitching” does not improve the efficiency, mert, effectivenss or usefulles of one’s actions, therefore deemed as “Ignorant” by definition.
Another definition states: ignorance is the choice to not act or behave in accordance with regard to certain information in order to suit ones own needs or beliefs. For example, “I know better but I choose to ignore that and act in a way that behooves me.”
Therefore, when you support the “No Snitchin” you are choosing not to act or behave in accordance to certain INFOrmation… to suit ones own needs or beliefs. So, “No Snitchin” can be considered connotative definition for ignorance.
Reecie,
I agree with you.. Parents come first, however truth be told some parents allow hip hop to have a influence over there children more than there parenting skills. Or maybe the parents are so influence by hip hop that they parent by the merits of hip hop standards. Especially if you have a child a really young age…the more likelihood you may allow hip hop to guide your parenting.
I’m not pointing the finger in no way shape or form.
But I’m pretty sure we can agree that Christopher Columbus did not discover America.
Ab Lincoln did not abolish the slavery. http://www.civil-liberties.com/13/page_m.html
And the tons of other lies in our history book.
Point: The school system is designed that way. Where are the classes we need in middle - high school like : Classes on Social well-being, Money Management, Real Sex Ed (with a real-life circulum so young kids can be aware), etc. Fuck a gym class! It should be Health and Nutrition, and stop the overweight epidemic.
This is a major part of our ignorance. The parents are a factor. But we need better teachers in the hood.
And you are talkin’ about lack of knowledge.
We don’t have no lack of knowledge…we know what’s up and we play our part. Get money how you can. If it’s rap…so be it. Do you.
All I got to say is “STOP SNITCHIN’” TRUST IN GOD. LIVE LIFE and STOP BEING A PUPPET.
WHITE COLLAR CRIME (Emron, Martha Stewart, Capitalism [ie profits from the prison system]) IS ALIVE AND WELL…
STOP SCAPEGOATING THE BLACK RACE.
I’M DONE WITH THIS BLOG UNTIL I FEEL LIKE COMING BACK!
STAY BLACK.
PLEASE Sag Black…You better give it up to GOD.
Kill that noise.
“All I’m reading is people telling us to give up our power to the Police or to God or to the Gangstas running the streets at night.”
I don’t think that cooperating with police and giving up all the power to police are one in the same. It should be more of a partnership than anything…although that’s easier said than done, folks can get a whole further if they just worked together.
It always amazed me how if I ever had a problem in a white area and stopped and asked a white person for help, the first thing they did was say “call the police”. It amazed me when I was at a party in a white area with all black people and a dude got brutally beat down by a bunch of thugs in the party and it dawned on me that nobody bothered to call the police. I have to admit that it didn’t dawn on me either until long after the fact…but you know what else dawned on me…if I had thought of it or if any of the other 100 people that were there thought of it, that guy wouldn’t have had to take that kind of abuse for so long and those guys would be locked up instead of being free to wreak havoc on another would-be innocent gathering. Lesson learned…call the police.
Some people may subscribe to the belief that the police are evil but I don’t. If I know some sh!t is going to go down, I’m damn happy to see a police officer come my way.
“Another definition states: ignorance is the choice to not act or behave in accordance with regard to certain information in order to suit ones own needs or beliefs. For example, “I know better but I choose to ignore that and act in a way that behooves me.”
Excellent point.
“Parents come first, however truth be told some parents allow hip hop to have a influence over there children more than there parenting skills.”
True…and that’s the problem. But why…laziness? Ignorance again? Just being asleep at the wheel? Being over-burdened?
Lets remember hip hop did not create this “No snitchin’” fad. We got it from the same place we get most of our ideas. Why are there so many rappers named Capone and Luciano? Hip Hop should end it but WE did not start it.
I feel you reecie
“Lets remember hip hop did not create this “No snitchin’” fad. We got it from the same place we get most of our ideas.”
True…but we gotta stop internalizing poisonous ideas.
Now what are the guidelines for cooperating with the police? Does it work? We know it works in White neighborhoods where the officers actually live in the area they police. Thats nothing new.
Point: The school system is designed that way. Where are the classes we need in middle - high school like : Classes on Social well-being, Money Management, Real Sex Ed (with a real-life circulum so young kids can be aware), etc. Fuck a gym class! It should be Health and Nutrition, and stop the overweight epidemic.
First off Education starts in the home. 90% of the stuff I know was not taught or covered in school. I spent time Reading and researching topics of interest or even topics not in interest to be knowledgeable, aware and informed therefore not ignorant. You are continuing to jump off topic to justify “no Snitchin” campaign…..
“We don’t have no lack of knowledge”
….Please, if we had no lack of knowledge, poverty would not be prevalent in 24% of the black community… And please lets not bring up discrimination and Slavery because well all understand how it plays into the current state however that is not in the current conversation. We are not trying to SCAPEGOAT the black community we are trying to state what works to uplift the community and Stop Snitching is not in that category. We are first responsible for ourselves, we can not expect anyone to clean up the ills in the black community we have to clean up are mess and many things will take care of themselves. If you see there is not Money Management, sex ed etc in the classrooms, it is our jobs to educated people in your sphere of influence about these topics. My high school was designed like ever other high school and it did not limit my intelligence or my development and i am still developing and learning everyday though I am finished with my formal education.
In addition, one does not justify another if White Collar Crime was prevalent in our community we will be discussing that… In addition, you mention white collar crime.. These guys were ALL put into prison for there crime and you never heard anyone stating let all wait until judgment day for these people to be convicted by the highest court. Actually some “snitched” ie. Whisleblower these individuals because there crime affected people lives as in people should should “snitch” when the crime in affects the living quality of a community.
“Now what are the guidelines for cooperating with the police? Does it work?”
Well first things first…we have to realize that cooperating with the police is about helping ourselves not helping the police. If you subscribe to the belief that the police don’t give a F&^k about keeping the community safe, then how can one say that by cooperating with them is helping them? Personally…I don’t subscribe to that belief, because think about it…would police prefer to have a sense of safety in security in doing their job or be in hostile territory all day? If we could agree that the police care about not being killed or injured on the job, then by extension you have to acknowledge that it’s in their best interest to contribute to the safety of the communities they patrol.
Cooperating means self-policing and it means standing up for the victims and not for the criminals. In the black community there’s a tendency to rally behind criminals, sympathize with them, and that perpetuates the mentality that it’s okay to “do what you gotta do” regardless of who pays the price. First the mentality has to change, secondly people need to make their voices heard, and third people need to work together. Sure sh!t is effed up…it’s never going to be perfect, but that doesn’t mean folks have to accept or even excuse the way things are.
“we have to realize that cooperating with the police is about helping ourselves not helping the police.”
Excellent point… I am going to steal your quote for future.
I can subscribe to that! lol
We also need to look directly at the results:
Is “No Snitching” decreasing crime and improving your quality of living?….
Yall don’t understand man.
Everybody doesn’t initiative to learn…they learn from school.
You guys have good points but you just don’t understand.
I’m off topic because this 60 minutes, Don Imus, now Russell Simmons and Al Sharpton controversy is just ploys against rap.
No Snitching…it’s just a ploy against rap. Once the Don Imus thing pops up, yall wanna talk about “No Snitching.”
Yall have good points but don’t see the big picture.
This is the last thing I’ll say for this Blog.
Obviously I’ve brought out the best for this blog.
I love my people. Peace
I Think we all understand that hip hop has nothing to do with Imus etc however fortunately, some would say unfortunately, this opens discussion up for negativity that we have to address. If Imus or 60 minutes opens up discussion withing hip hop or the black community, I think it is positive at the end of the day. Although, I also do not like the way the media portrays hip hop = black community or Al Sharpton or Jessie = represents all blacks but is trivial in comparison to many things we have address. I think when people attack from the outside it is easy to become protectionist to foster togetherness. However, if the protectionist ideas are denigrating the community maybe an adjustment in thought and viewpoint is necessary.
How irronic…
Check out this article
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/04/23/4113485-sun.html
This no snitching policy is stupid. The people who came up with this idiotic policy are gang members and other criminal who don’t won’t to go to prison. If I see a rape or a murder happen I’m calling the police. If these people aren’t put behind bars then the chances of them committed another crime is high.
R-
“Secondly….where do the parents come into play? In all the debate surrounding hip hop, “no snitchin”…why isn’t anyone speaking on the role parents should play in informing their kids about what’s right and what’s wrong?”
I think the underlying premise of all of this “no snitching” is living in fear! If Camron/whoever, was not scared of the consequences/repurcussions of their actions, they would do what is RIGHT! People equate this gangsta/thug image with being able to do what you want. We should all learn from history and the numerous “rappers” dead before us that you cannot do what you want. Yes, I agree when you’re in the limelight like Cam’ron is, you have to subscribe to a certain code of silence. But that choice to remain silent doesn’t have its roots in honor, its vestiges are deep-rooted in fear. The latter is nothing to be proud about nor glorify.
Not the best example, but before Biggie died, he did a documentary where he was saying out flat that he was in fear of his life that someone was going to kill him and his kids. At what point do we as human beings do we not care for our brother (and sister) to feel his/her life so insignificant to report vile and terrible crimes? That is not cool! That is not gangsta! This is not to be lauded! This is disgusting and absolutely reproachable!
The fact that this state of mind/thought is being passed down to our progeny is proving itself evident that parents are failing! I cannot even blame society because I am a product of this society. My parents held me down though! What a child learns is a direct relationship from what the parents allow/not allow! Parents are failing! Kids are having kids….more specifically, immature kids are having kids and passing nothing positive and senseless to the seeds but BET videos, grillz, and staying fly!
That our day to day heroes are those that glorify tenets of “no snitching” and selling drugs and whatever ills plague our streets is to be abhorred! Shame on parents, shame on these fake ass wanna be thugs for being so little minded, shame on the music industry for not caring about the souls of our young generation and shame on me for having ever bought a Cam’ron cd!
No more….
And yes, this is a great topic and excellent discussion. Even though we all have disparate perspectives from which we draw our opinions, it is still great to see human beings engage in pallatable discourse over a growing crisis!
Excellent topic. Also, why is it when shows like 60 minutes do profiles on the black community do they always get the most ignorant ass fools?! This “no snitchin” crap will only kill ourselves, calling the police when there is trouble is not snitchin…it’s being smart. It is there job to protect us. Ignorance seems to be running rampant with sections of the black community and we need to wise up or we will die out.
This is an interesting discussion and over all a lot ofthe ideas here need to be discussed more. Some of the statements however have not been well thought out or are just lies. First of all I am a police officer and have been one for about 20 years. Next I have worked in mostly black areas most of my career and I am black. Crime not racism does the most damage to our community. We have come to accept the loss of our children and the drugging of our people. This keeps us from being able to reach our potential. Now we have some one who does not contribute to our community, supporting a code that helps destroy us.
First, even Malcom X was supportive of the community forcing the police to do their jobs in black neighborhoods. If you don’t believe this read a few of his speeches. Local communities do not have the resources or the skill to combat criminals face to face. We can however demand that the police do the job we pay them for and provide assistance. Maybe some of you really dont get it. If a person sells drugs in a community, they are killing that community. The drug use leads to dependancy. The addicts end up stealing or worse to support their habit. Drug use leads to the children being abused or neglicted. The kids end up and junkies or they fail to reach their potential. Every one here knows the kid who spent most of high school getting high. Sure some of them turned out ok but most of them didn’t. We are talking numbers here people, not the few who got lucky. The addict ends up stealing in their own community. So now the people of that community end up having things stolen. If you dont have a lot of money to begin with, being robbed can really mess things up. The property values go down and no one wants to live there. After a few years the yuppies come in and call the police if a dog barks and all of a sudden the property values go up and the few people who could not leave get forced out by the rising prices. We are watching this happen in Harlem right now.
If we accept criminals in our community we will be the victims. Ever wonder why stick up men dont go to where the money is. Why arent junkies robbing people in rich neighborhoods? One, they will go to jail and two people will get involved.
The truth is that most of the time you hear of a young child killed in a drive by, you can guess the race of the child. We accept things in our community that are not accepted in other places. Most of the time, this is out of ignorance of what we can do. One of the posts said that the cops need to get off their butts and do their job. Well I hate to tell you this but most crimes are solved by some one telling on someone else. Evidence does not convict a person most of the time. Eyewitnesses do. Look at OJ. There was blood evidence but it was pretty easy to convince the jury that it was planted. Same thing with Robert Blake. The average case load for a detective is huge so unless the case touches a cord in his soul it is work. (Before you get upset remember if you look at death and suffering all the time you either get hard or you lose it.) It is a shame that there were five witnesses to the murder of Jam Master J. There were over 30 people there when Busta Rhymes body guard was killed and more than a few at the murder of Biggie and Tupac. No one talked. I think far too many people watch to much CSI and think that stuff is real. The mafia was not hurt by evidence it was hurt by witnesses. Realize that we still dont know who killed Jon Bennet Ramsey or a lot of other people. IF no one is talking, most of the time a crime will not be solved. It is just impossible.
The No Snitching movement is criminals asking other people to support them and protect them with silence. I wonder what the response would be if skinheads were coming in and doing all of this stuff. Just because we look the same does not mean I should not require you to be a man and meet some standards. So if you want to support Camron go ahead. He does not live in a community where he has to worry about stuff like crime and his body guards keep him safe.
PO PO…I couldn’t agree more with your post! Those are the exact points that I was trying to get across.
“First, even Malcom X was supportive of the community forcing the police to do their jobs in black neighborhoods.”
Preach!
“The No Snitching movement is criminals asking other people to support them and protect them with silence. ”
Preach!
Killa Cam said something very important right here.
“…Where I come from, ONCE WORD GETS OUT that you’ve cooperated with the police that only makes you a bigger target of criminal violence…”
1. He says “once word gets out” that you’ve snitched something may happen to you, but in reality, snitching goes on in poor minority neighborhoods all the time. It’s just done on the hush. The police solve 90% of their cases based on informant testimony. Nugga’s in prison turn on each other all the time and “jailhouse snitches” are notorious for fabricating shit to get lighter sentences. The truth is that all these nuggas wearing “no snitching” t-shirts would be the first one on the phone selling out the next one.
2. And it’s not just Black communities. Cam spoke about Black communities because that’s all he knows. But mosts criminals prey on their own, and so Hispanic commnunities don’t talk to the police, Asians don’t “rat out” other Asians, and don’t get me started on Italians.
Yes my friends, snitching is here to stay.
First of all when you think of successful rappers who sales a lot of album in the last few years names like 50, Game, Kanye, Eminem, TI and Young Jeezy comes up. Cam’ron only had one out of five album that was a successful so his fanbase isn’t really that big. Sure he did a few songs with big artist like Kanye and Mariah Carey but those never will amount much. He is involve in beef with Jay Z and 50 but he isn’t a big hit. Second Anderson Cooper made Cam’ron look like a complete idiot and the funny thing about it is that it took him a week to realize it. I really doubt the reason he apologize was because he realize what he said was wrong it was probably because of his label. Sure you can argue Label encourage rappers to start beef, encourage no snitching, keep gangster to sale records but I don’t think they appreciate it when their artist goes on TV and admits it.
I believe in loyalty just not loyalty to rappist, murderer, robbers and other criminals but hey if those are the people you want to buy you albums from and be respected by then who am I to judge.
It’s kind of sad that all you have to do to get away with a crime is to commit it in front of a rapper.
I am a huge dipset fan, however, i am able to admit what camron did was stupid and immature, HOWEVER, all of yall talkin shit about him and his apology shows immaturity to, he is a grown ass man, apologizing over a serious issue, AND ADMITING HE WAS WRONG, and yall have the dumbness in urselves to say it was fake. BUt its just u dumbies that hate on Cam and want dipset to stop, but they wont stop and yall kno it so grow the hell up when u speak about it.
MDM please back away from the pipe. I could not give a rat’s ass about dipshit or cam’wrong. What he said was so ignorant and dumb he had to be called out on it…..this fool lives in a mansion away from the guns and crime yet he still wants to dictate what people living in the ghettos should do. He is a straight up fool and I am glad he got his ass handed to him and is apologising. Maybe now he should help the police by starting a campaign for the police to encourage people to call 911 if they are in trouble.
Anyone who believes this apology is in any way sincere is seriously naive at best, or basically a f**king idiot.
Dude watched himself, realised how stupid he sounded talking about living next door to a serial killer, and is back peddling like a monkey in the circus. He’s basically worried about his credibility and his dough. This guy is about hype and not about good music, his content is ass. Hopefully this will ruin him, the current state of hip-hop seems to value hype over content though. Still, here’s hoping…
“THE POLICE DON’T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT YOU OR YOUR MOTHERFUCKIN FAMILY. This is a job to them, it brings income. They have too many things going on to really give a fuck about you.”
WHY..? WHY..? oh… WHY..?……
But Thanks for your info…
BEST REGARDs
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Does anybody ever wonder what happened to the body guard of Busta Rymes? did he or did he not tell who actually shot his friend?
Food for thought…
F*uck That… I’m Telling
http://blogs.hiphopdx.com/MADRAPFAN/2007/04/26/fuck-that-i-m-tellin.html
Hillarious!
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Peserta if you really believe what you just type then you need to open you eyes. Cops for the most part aren’t bad. Sure they done some stuff I don’t agree with but I trust them and we should all trust them.
The biggest problem with policemen is their training. They should have to go through training every 6 months to a year just to reinforce the policies of the Department. The problem is that they are only trained once, that wears off over time, and then human nature takes over and they start to do their own thing. They would also benefit from a college degree, in their field, instead of just the 60 hours of basic college courses.
Camron said something true: “…once word gets out that you’ve cooperated with the police that only makes you a bigger target of criminal violence…”. It’s true these criminals want revenge on those who ratted them out. I know you would, I know I would. Once you snitch you make yourself a target to criminals. And for all of those saying support the cops, and support snitches, I DARE YOU TO GO TO A COP INFRONT OF THE PERSON THAT YOU’RE SNITCHIN ON AND TELL THE POLICE WHAT THAT CRIMINAL DID!!
Busta Rhymes, Camron, and all those other people are just being real, they dont want anything to do with it. They have their own problems
I think this issue is really expanding, it’s hard to contain everything to sole individuals or organizations. I dunno! But I did read something interesting, like a minute ago that deals with this whole cam’ron mess and other rap issue. Bunch of smart rap dudes like bakari kitwana and jeff chang talking about it.
http://formatmag.com/features/raps-big-time-out/
Alright…”no snitchin” isn’t meant to b counter-productive n wutever shit..it’s meant to show loyalty to ya dawgs n even to those who u hate 2 at least sho them that even tho u got problems with ‘em, u still got tha respect to keep thier business their business..not to let ev’rybody n their moma know about it.
Hello, I am a Counselor for adolescents in Norman Oklahoma and I watched the 60 minute video on “snitching” and found it very informative. I was wondering if I could get a copy of this video to teach my staff about the importance of the word “snitching” is to the kids we serve. Our adolescents come from all over Oklahoma with different races and backgrounds. I believe this video could be of great help in serving our clients better. Please email me back with a response A.S.A.P.